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ReplyDeleteGod is a ZIONIST!!!
DeleteOh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! when the LORD bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad.
Psalms 14:7
Zionism is not Christianity. The nation of Israel is an instrument of the NWO, bought and paid for by the Rothschilds. The US and Israel are waging terrorism and genocide against the entire middle east fighting terrorism based on false flag events--in reality the US and Israel are the terrorists. The US and Israel are turning the entire middle east over to the likes of the Muslim brotherhood who are then conducting ethnic cleansing against Jews and Christians and other Muslims. When Christians let their understanding of the bible override the basic tenets of Jesus Christ's teachings then they are puppets.
ReplyDeleteGod is a ZIONIST!!!
DeleteOh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! when the LORD bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad.
Psalms 14:7
No offence but I'm afraid you got the story all mixed up about the messenger killing King Saul in I and II Samuel. King Saul asked his armor bearer to kill him but he refused to do it so Saul fell upon his own sword and died. Once the armor bearer saw he was dead, he then fell on his sword and died with him. The man who came to David actually did lie to him to get his favor. The man tells David that Saul fell upon his spear and then asked him to slay him and he claimed he followed through with it but this was an outright lie. Saul fell upon his sword, not his spear. David then asks, How is it that you were not afraid to stretch forth your hand to destroy the Lord's anointed? He then told a young man to slay him and David says, Your blood be upon your head, for your mouth has testified against you, saying, I have slain the Lord's anointed.
ReplyDeleteNow two thing's could be happening here. Either David perceived that the man was lying because the question David asks the man implies that he would have been afraid to slay the Lord's anointed, which this man's behavior tells the opposite, and so he slays him for claiming to kill Saul when he didn't. Either that or David believes that the man actually did kill Saul and he puts him to death for merely admitting that he did without knowing it was a lie. Read I Samuel 31:1-6 and II Samuel 1:1-16 to see for yourself.
You should probably bring this up in your next radio show so people are aware of the accidental mix up.
Well, it's an interesting discussion. The Amalekite gave us more to the story. He found Saul, who had fallen on his sword (spear) and yet was still alive. It is entirely possible that when Saul fell upon his sword he was still alive. When you put all of the evidence together one gets the whole story. Consider this:
DeleteSaul gets wounded. He asks his armor bearer to kill him but he refuses. Then Saul falls on his sword (spear). When the Amalekite finds him he is still alive. Saul asks the Amalekite to finish him off and he does it. Then he has the encounter with David. That seems to be the picture we see here.
No mix up here.
We can debate this issue but alas... there will be no apologies coming from us.
Thanks!
That would be all well and good except the Hebrew word for sword (chereb) in I Samuel 31:4 is not the same as the word for spear (chanith) in II Samuel 1:6 and they are not interchangeable. Not only that but I find it hard to believe that someone who supposedly killed Saul would mistake a sword for a spear. That's seems highly unlikely coming from a first hand witness and also because the two weapons look drastically different from each other.
ReplyDeleteYou said: "Saul gets wounded. He asks his armor bearer to kill him but he refuses. Then Saul falls on his sword (spear). When the Amalekite finds him he is still alive. Saul asks the Amalekite to finish him off and he does it. Then he has the encounter with David. That seems to be the picture we see here."
The Amalekite couldn't have finished off Saul because the armor bearer saw Saul thrust himself through and die instantly right before his eyes, which made the armor bearer do the same. There isn't any evidence that proves that the Amalekite was even there when Saul thrust himself through. On the contrary, the very fact that the armor bearer doesn't mention the Amalekite finishing off Saul and the fact that the Amalekite mentions a spear instead of a sword makes the Amalekites testimony unreliable. The narrator in I Samuel 31 says that Saul killed himself. Surely his testimony should surpass the Amalekite's as being a much more credible account of the actual event.
Again - it's a fascinating discussion but hardly worthy of an apology... debate perhaps... but not an apology. Be well.
DeleteNo hard feelings Mike, just putting in my two cents on the subject. God bless
ReplyDeleteWe are faced with the same issues regarding the death of Judas...two seemingly contradicting accounts which give us the entire picture when conflated together.
DeleteIn order for your "he was lying" theory to be true the Amalekite would not have seen Saul at all since, as you say, the two weapons are so dissimilar. If he was lying he would not have so obviously altered the identity of article with which the King impaled himself.
It would be illogical to alter that portion of the battle scene while protecting a ruse... therefore he likely was telling the truth and simply misidentified the implement he saw in the King's chest.
Mystery solved :)