Zev Porat

Friday, December 26, 2014

The Great Trumpet Debate!

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Ever since PPSIMMONS posted our first video on the seven trumpets of Revelation there has been no shortage of debate on the web. And rightfully so. The subject of the time of the end is both intriguing and important. So we applaud the Saints who are eagerly taking part in this particular theater of ideas and who, along with us, eagerly await the coming of the Lord.


There is a segment of the church who so desire their eschatological point of view to be accepted as fact that they go to great lengths - even so far as to deny the definitions of basic words.

When we Google the word "trumpet" for example, the following image comes up:
When we Google the word "trump", apart from images of Donald Trump of course, the following image comes up:


 I know, right! They are, apart from the angle of the instrument, virtually identical. Now, please allow me to use a tool people have been using for hundreds of years to search out the definitions of words... the dictionary!

A "trumpet" is defined via dictionary.com as:

1.Music... any of a family of brass wind instruments with a powerful, penetrating tone, consisting of a tube commonly curved once or twice around on itself and having a cup-shaped mouthpiece at one end and a flaring bell at the other.
an organ stop having a tone resembling that of a trumpet.
a trumpeter.
2. something used as or resembling a trumpet, especially in sound.
3. a sound like that of a trumpet.

Ok great. Now let's see how dictionary.com defines "trump."

1. a trumpet or the sound produced by one
2. the last trump, the final trumpet call that according to the belief of some will awaken and raise the dead on the Day of Judgment

WOW! Did you see that? Dictionary.com, an online dictionary no less (not a Christian website) uses the words "the last trump, the final trumpet call" in their own definition for "trump!"

Essentially they are one in the same folks. The Miriam Webster website also defines "trump" as "trumpet."

1a :  trumpet b chiefly Scottish :  jew's harp
2:  a sound of or as if of trumpeting <the trump of doom>

Now why is any of this important? It is important because it debunks the teaching that when Paul says the rapture will happen at the last trump, he is NOT referring to the LAST TRUMPET! And where is the last trump or trumpet? It is the seventh trumpet of Revelation! 

1 Corinthians 15:51  ¶Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52  In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Apparently King James was also quite comfortable interchanging the words "trump" and "trumpet."

And when is this "last trumpet?" This happens to be the bone of contention for all the Darbyist pre-tribbers out there who believe the rapture, spoken of by Paul as the "mystery" in 1 Corinthians 15, happens at Rev 4:1. They are quite adamant that there is a difference between the obvious last trumpet in the Bible, which is in Revelation 11, and an obscure "last trump" which (apparently) means the last of a series of trumpets which happens every year at Rosh Hashannah, the Jewish New Year. This is the exact day on which many Pre-tribbers believe the rapture of the church will occur, and it cannot possibly occur on any other, according to many.

But wait, didn't Jesus say no man can know the day? I digress.

Also, as Carl Gallups points out in his new book FINAL WARNING (with much historically referenced material) the "great trump" of the Feast of Trumpets is an invention of the orthodox rabbis and is found nowhere in the Word of God!  So the pre-tribbers (Darbyists) have to go to rabbinical teaching (that is different from the Bible) to support their pre-tribulation rapture theory! Yet - they often accuse us for not being biblical because we don't think the pre-trib rapture is clearly taught in the contextually interpreted word of God. Sorry - but we don't follow rabbinical teachings to interpret the Bible. We will let the Bible interpret the Bible.

There is the obvious answer; that is that Paul really did mean what he wrote, that it will happen at the last, final trump/trumpet.

But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Revelation 10:7

As they say in baseball, "there's the setup! And now comes the pitch!"

And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Revelation 11:15

Following this the wrath of God is poured out in Rev 16, events from which the chosen people of God are absent.

There's the timeline folks! Carl Gallups has an amazing book out on this! It's called "Final Warning." Hear Carl discuss his book in a discussion we've titled "The Rapture Challenge." You can hear this in video form below.

Also - read this in depth article here on this blog!

Book's website - HERE
Facebook page - HERE
Order - HERE

Want to know what JESUS said about the rapture (contextual, biblical interpretation)?
Want to know who the TWO WITNESSES of REVELATION are?
Want to know how Revelation 10:7 and I Corinthians 15:51-52 tie together (or not)? 

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